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== Mushrooms: Data dump ==
 
== Mushrooms: Data dump ==

Revision as of 15:07, 16 July 2019

Category seems redundant

This category seems redundant to me, as data wise its (manual-set) data is a duplication of the Edible(Hunger/Energy) and Mushroom(s) item data.
(Same for manual-set Mushrooms category btw,)
Alternative list case dropped at Tables/Forageables tmp1 page.
- Giant Puffball: Mushroom ambiguity/incompleteness.
- Morels: Mushroom incompleteness.
- (secondary issue seems the manual-set "Foraged Foods", ... pondering about that one.)
--.MvGulik. 19:08, 14 July 2019 (EDT)

Agreed - this categories are legacy. Any mushroom and foragebles is enough. Not sure other categories are worth.
Not understand what you call incompleteness in morels and puffball? they are complete for me(just verify for per exp)
Kitsuneg (talk) 07:48, 15 July 2019 (EDT)
Incompleteness: The difference in being marked as "(specific)Any Mushroom" vs "(category)Mushrooms". But ... now that I think about it again. "Any Mushroom" is for mushroom items that can be interchanged (and not for marking a item as being a mushroom - Ouch! ;-/). So that changes things a bit. ... Revaluating other stuff (Edible Mushrooms category will be canned). --.MvGulik. 12:25, 15 July 2019 (EDT)
The Edible Mushroom category was originally created to distinguish from the Mushroom Category. On the wiki, the Specific::Any Mushroom actually correlates to Edible Mushroom in-game (I briefly looked, And I didn't find any recipes that used an Any Mushroom type). So while there is a redundant category here, it's actually the Any Mushroom Category
to elaborate on this - Parboiled Morels can be used in "Edible Mushroom" recipes (such as autumn steak), but Morels cannot. Thus, Parboiled Morels are both mushrooms and edible mushrooms, while morels are not. Furthermore, some inedible mushrooms can be used in "Edible Mushroom" recipes. Fairy Mushrooms and Cave Lanterns are both inedible mushrooms which can be used as an "Edible Mushroom" food type, they however do not have any hunger/FEP data associated with them.
--Ricky (talk) 19:38, 15 July 2019 (EDT)
1) All Specific-type categories are technically redundant, as they are (automated) shadow-categories of Specific-type types.
2) "Any Mushroom" seems to be used in multiple recipes. We must be using different definitions for what is considered a recipe (for/on RoB).
... Mmm, think I need to also look at the Edible and Food marking ... later.
--.MvGulik. 02:57, 16 July 2019 (EDT)
"Any Mushroom" type does not exist in-game. in-game, what RoB calls the "Any Mushroom" type is actually called the "Edible Mushroom" type.
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Mushrooms: Data dump

Data Count
Category:Mushrooms 14
Category:Edible Mushrooms 9
Category:Any Mushroom 16
Specific::Any Mushroom 16
Merged (or) 20
Merged (and) 8
ItemPerExp
(Foraged)
Foraged Hunger
(Edible)
Energy
(Edible)
Foods Any MushroomspecificMushrooms‎ Edible MushroomsForaged Foods RequiresRequires
(inverse)
Bay Bolete9601.5150Any MushroomForaging
Black Truffles  Any Mushroom Foraging
Black Trumpets3,5001125Any Mushroom Foraging
Bloated Bolete1101275Any MushroomForaging
Cave Lantern8,000 Any Mushroom ForagingCave Skewer
Chantrelles52175Any MushroomForaging
Dried Morels 1200Any Mushroom Plant Lore
Morels
Herbalist Table
Fairy Mushroom  Any Mushroom Foraging
Field Blewits5,0001200Any MushroomForaging
Giant Puffball5003200Any Mushroom Foraging
Indigo Cap39,0001200Any Mushroom Foraging
Morels150  ForagingDried Morels
Parboiled Morels
Parasol Mushroom1500.75100Any MushroomForaging
Parboiled Morels 1125Any Mushroom Morels
Cauldron
Poppycaps   
Royal Toadstool324  ForagingEnthroned Toad
Stalagoom1000.5200 ForagingCavedog
Cave Skewer
Troll Mushrooms 1400Any Mushroom Hunting
Troll
White Truffles  Any Mushroom Foraging
Yellowfeet2001125Any MushroomForaging
Required-By ("Any Mushroom"): Autumn Steak, Beaver Dog, Mushroom & Onion Pirozhki Dough, Mushroom Mash, Mushroom Pie Dough, Mushrooms in Jelly, Raw Mushroom-Burst Glutton


Case notes:

  • Truffles (Black, White): Foraged(action) vs Foraging(skill). Found/Acquired by leased Pig. Ergo: no perexp. (a sort of fishing with a dynamic object)
  • Parboiled Morels: Special (currently unsupported) case. Uses percentage instead of absolute points. !?! I must have mixed up something.
  • "Any Mushroom" vs "Edible"(Hunger,Energy): Are independent, or not-related, markings.
    • With "Any Mushroom" being: (member of, or the) Group of interchangeable items. (the general usage point(s) is group depend) In this case some other food creation actions (see (dynamic) Required-By list).