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::The fact that there as is at least one bug improperly tagged as bait ... kinda warrants a bait recheck on all bugs in my view. Will give this some thought.
 
::The fact that there as is at least one bug improperly tagged as bait ... kinda warrants a bait recheck on all bugs in my view. Will give this some thought.
 
::--[[User_talk:MvGulik|<i><font color="#666" size="2px">.MvGulik.</font></i>]] 12:30, 4 December 2019 (EST)
 
::--[[User_talk:MvGulik|<i><font color="#666" size="2px">.MvGulik.</font></i>]] 12:30, 4 December 2019 (EST)
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::Bait bugs re-check results: Cave Centipede, Itsy Bitsy Spider and The Bee That Stung are only exceptions
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::(still waiting for Silkworm to test but i'm quite sure about it)
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::{| class = "wikitable"
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!Bug
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!is it bait?
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|-
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|Ant Empress||Y
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|Ant Larvae||Y
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|Ant Pupae||Y
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|-
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|Ant Queen||Y
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|Ant Soldiers||Y
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|Aphids||Y
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|Bee Larvae||Y
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|Cave Centipede||N
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|-
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|Cave Moth||Y
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|Emerald Dragonfly||Y
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|Firefly||Y
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|Grasshopper||Y
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|Grub||Y
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|Itsy Bitsy Spider||N
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|-
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|Ladybug||Y
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|-
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|Monarch Butterfly||Y
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|Moonmoth||Y
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|Ruby Dragonfly||Y
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|Sand Flea||Y
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|Silkmoth||Y
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|Silkworm||-?-
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|Stag Beetle||Y
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|The Bee That Stung||N
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|Waterstrider||Y
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|}
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::--[[User:Not a cat|Not a cat]] ([[User talk:Not a cat|talk]]) 18:52, 4 December 2019 (EST)

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Required_By Fishing skill list

The Required_By listing for the fishing skill is pretty massive. One reason for it size is that it included Dried-Filet and fish related Spitroasts.
I wonder, considering Fish Filet's themself are not included in the list, if Dried-Filet's and fish related Spitroasts actually required the fishing skill.

  • If a character, specifically without the fishing skill, can turn a:
    • raw fish into a Spitroast. Spitroasts don't need the fishing skill.
    • raw filet into a Dried-Filet. Dried-Filet don't need the fishing skill.

--.MvGulik. 13:19, 9 February 2019 (EST)


Fishing Research Chart

Please fill in here what fish you find, what lure you used, what time and what moon phase you found it during. Once we have enough data, we can correlated and collapse this into a far more readable chart.

Note: This Charts data is from before 2016, and should not be relied on for W11 research. --.MvGulik. 13:19, 9 February 2019 (EST)

Pre 2016 Data
Fish (aprox rarity) Lure Time Moon Location
Asp Entrails 03:05 New Moon Lake Depth
Bream(100%) Tin Fly 13-14 New Moon River Shallows\Depths
Bream(100%) Poppy Wobbler 16-16:30 New Moon Lake Shallows\Depths
Bream (common) Leech 9-13 Waning Gibbous Lake Shallows
Bream Intestines 3-4 Waning Gibbous Lake Shallows
Brill Leech 9-13 Waning Gibbous Lake Depths
Brill Intestines 3-4 Waning Gibbous Lake Depths
Brill Intestines 9-10 Waxing Crescent Lake Shallows
Brill(100%) Poppy Wobbler 19:20-20 Waxing Gibbous River Shallows\Depths
Eel Leech 9-13 Waning Gibbous Lake Depths
Eel Leech 4-5 Waning Gibbous Lake Depths
Eel Entrails 23:31 Waning Crescent Lake Depth
Eel Entrails 00:57 New Moon Lake Depth
Lavaret Entrails 01:26 New Moon Lake Depth
Lavaret Entrails 03:58 New Moon Lake Depth
Perch(50%) Bloated Leech 6-7 Waxing Crescent Lake Shallows
Perch(50%) Rock Lobster 6-7 Waxing Crescent Lake Shallows
Perch(100%) Lobster Lure 3-3:30 Waxing Crescent Lake Shallows
Perch(100%) Bloated Leech\Leech 18-19:20 Waxing Gibbous River Shallows\Depths
Perch(100%) Poppy Wobbler,Earthworm,Woodfish,Rock Lobster,Pinecone Plug 12-15 New Moon River Shallows\Depths
Perch(100%) Tin Fly,Pinecone Plug,Woodfish 16-17 New Moon Lake Depths
Perch Entrails 05:36 New Moon Lake Depth
Pike (1:5) Leech 9-13 Waning Gibbous Lake Shallows
Pike Copper Comet 20-22 Waxing Crescent Lake Shallows
Pike(100%) Lobster Lure 00-3 Waxing Crescent Lake Shallows
Pike(50%) Bloated Leech 6-7 Waxing Crescent Lake Shallows
Pike(50%) Rock Lobster 6-7 Waxing Crescent Lake Shallows
Pike(100%) Tin Fly,Pinecone Plug,Woodfish 16-17 New Moon Lake Shallows
Plaice (1:20) Leech 9-10 Waning Gibbous Lake Shallows
Plaice Intestines 3-4 Waning Gibbous Lake Shallows
Roach Leech 12-13 Waning Gibbous Lake Depths
Roach Leech 4-5 Waning Gibbous Lake Depths
Roach Entrails 23:40 Waning Crescent Lake Depth
Roach Intestines 15-16 Last Quarter Lake Shallows
Roach Entrails 00:49 New Moon Lake Depth
Roach Entrails 02:28 New Moon Lake Depth
Roach Entrails 02:56 New Moon Lake Depth
Roach Entrails 03:59 New Moon Lake Depth
Roach Entrails 04:24 New Moon Lake Depth
Roach Entrails 05:24 New Moon Lake Depth
Roach Entrails 05:58 New Moon Lake Depth
Ruffe Entrails 03:24 New Moon Lake Depth
Salmon Entrails 00:16 New Moon Lake Depth
Salmon Entrails 03:15 New Moon Lake Depth
Salmon Entrails 05:06 New Moon Lake Depth
Smelt Entrails 00:05 New Moon Lake Depth
Smelt Entrails 01:09 New Moon Lake Depth
Smelt Entrails 03:50 New Moon Lake Depth

Some pieces for potential page expansion

Baits that are easy to acquire in early game

Bloated Leech
easy to acquire, swamps are quite common. However gathering them is a strain to your Hitpoints that start rather limited. They drain your SHP every time they bite and also have chance to deal HHP damage in the form of leech burns. You won't regenerate SHP unless you have more than 8000 Energy, which can be hard to acquire, especially if one seeks to avoid sub-optimal foods in order to not fill the hunger (more accurately described as appetite) bar too fast.
Entrails
can be easy to acquire if you find a flock of chickens. They let you catch them without running away. Killing and butchering chickens also yields feathers and bone that are quite useful.
Earthworm
relatively hard to acquire as you need to dig soil, which is an Energy intensive activity. However if you need to Terraform something anyway, you can get these as useful byproduct. Compost Bin also spawns Earthworms, but requires Bone Glue to build and produces Mulch most of the time.

Early game fishing provides some much needed Learning Points as well, in the form of Discoveries as you catch and butcher different types of fish for the first time.

Catching and eating Plaice is often recommended to increase Perception, a hard-to-raise stat in the early game. Testing the waters around you can be worth your time, especially with the aforementioned LP bonuses, but shouldn't be your immediate primary goal.

(--Vatas] 11 January 2019‎)

Water terrains

Wile exploring some water terrain related stuff, I kinda got water-terrain confused.
Looking at the Fish page I count 6 water terrains indicators.

  • Shallow & Deep River.
  • Shallow & Deep Lake.
  • Shallow & Deep Ocean. (map shows actual 3 Ocean levels)

Is there any data/info that shows/indicated that Rivers and Lakes are now actual two distinct water terrains ? (other than there looks/size)
At this moment I think Rivers and Lakes are still the same terrain type (as in Haven-Legacy). ...
I also see that there is currently no significant data-separation when it comes to Land- & Ocean-water terrain.
For example, a lot of the fish (if not all, not checked) use "Water Terrain" as "Produced By" property. Although technically correct, it bypasses Land vs Ocean specification. (Alternative property-link-title generally is specifying River, Lake or Ocean, but that is only active on the related pages itself).

  • Potential alternative terrain classification to combine River and Lake: Fresh water (which would make Ocean Salt-water, when needed).

Later: Look into this a bit more, and see what might work.
--.MvGulik. 06:50, 25 August 2019 (EDT)


The one thing that make difference between river and lake waters is River Pearl Mussel - they now spawn only in river shallows. In fishing or anything else i see no difference.
Fresh and Salt waters - sounds good - some creature like walrus and seals(and a lot of w11 items) also spawn only in ocean tiles or ocean beaches now.
--Kitsuneg (talk) 08:47, 25 August 2019 (EDT)


Aha. If there is one case, it at least means that inside the game(internally) there is some possible optional separation between river and lake terrain.
Even if the River Pearl Mussel is the only (current) exception to the rule. It would still need to be taking in account ... eventually, making this potentially a bit more tricky.
--.MvGulik. 10:44, 25 August 2019 (EDT)

Bait or no bait

Looking/checking if all Bugs are also bait (like with ants).

Bee Larvae - yes/no
Cave Centipede - yes/no
The Bee That Stung - yes/no

--.MvGulik. 01:31, 4 December 2019 (EST)

Bee Larvae - yes
Cave Centipede - no
The Bee That Stung - no
Seems like there is some more bugs that is not a bait (e.g. Itsy Bitsy Spider)
--Not a cat (talk) 07:29, 4 December 2019 (EST)
Thanks. The fact that there is at least one bug that's not bait solved the underlying issue I was thinking about.
The fact that there as is at least one bug improperly tagged as bait ... kinda warrants a bait recheck on all bugs in my view. Will give this some thought.
--.MvGulik. 12:30, 4 December 2019 (EST)
Bait bugs re-check results: Cave Centipede, Itsy Bitsy Spider and The Bee That Stung are only exceptions
(still waiting for Silkworm to test but i'm quite sure about it)
Bug is it bait?
Ant Empress Y
Ant Larvae Y
Ant Pupae Y
Ant Queen Y
Ant Soldiers Y
Aphids Y
Bee Larvae Y
Cave Centipede N
Cave Moth Y
Emerald Dragonfly Y
Firefly Y
Grasshopper Y
Grub Y
Itsy Bitsy Spider N
Ladybug Y
Monarch Butterfly Y
Moonmoth Y
Ruby Dragonfly Y
Sand Flea Y
Silkmoth Y
Silkworm -?-
Stag Beetle Y
The Bee That Stung N
Waterstrider Y
--Not a cat (talk) 18:52, 4 December 2019 (EST)