Legacy talk:Curiosity

Curiosity/Foraged category organization (done)

Why is candleberry listed as a curio? Not once but twice. I don't mean as an ingredient either. I don't know how to go about fixing that on this type of table... Lando242 05:44, 24 April 2012 (EDT)

Erm. Its intentional. Considering there is a "All Curiosities" table and a separate "Forageable Curiosities" table. (PS: Take note of the fact that I'm kinda suspicious towards users with 3 or 4 trailing digits in the name.) --MvGulik 10:00, 24 April 2012 (EDT)

(removed(by Spork) commend from Spork.)

Aha. Down side of dropping additional irrelevant data ("Not once but twice") is that your message has a higher change of being misinterpreted. (at least by me). ... Guess I have to look into the script part. Bummer. (mmm, looks like some category issue.) --MvGulik 05:31, 25 April 2012 (EDT)

Sorry if I wasn't clear. Candleberry isn't a curiosity, you can't study it to earn LPs. That what I meant. And since the table seems to be generated from an outside file I wasn't sure how to edit it myself to make the correction. Lando242 15:49, 25 April 2012 (EDT)

Problem: Curiosity category is using general categories for is data collection (bad idea). Have to think about this a bit for possible solutions. Suggestions are welcome. --MvGulik 12:47, 25 April 2012 (EDT)

Can't select specific elements that are in both Foraged and Curiosity categories at the same time I'm guessing. Probably shouldn't create a new category to only list Forged Curiosities. Anyway, I'm wondering if I should add the short pages important to this page such as Learning Points, Study Interface, Mental Weight to the Category: Content because I don't think they don't have much use elsewhere. Well, Learning Points is used for other things. --Deadguy60 07:53, 24 May 2012 (EDT)

For new pages I like to suggest starting with them as a personal pages (ergo: under your own NameSpace.). After they a more or less finished they can be moved into the main wiki if needed/useful. Category: Mmm, I don't know yet. ... --MvGulik 09:04, 24 May 2012 (EDT)

New page? Probably not at all what you're thinking but the short pages that I have listed could actually go on a page called Curiosity Related Information and they would each have their own section/separator(I don't know what to call this) so less clutter possibly. --Deadguy60 19:43, 24 May 2012 (EDT)

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Erm, right. Was thinking that pages in sup-category's also would show up, by default, in there parent category.

But that's not the case. (looked at wrong page as example) The Curiosity category is listing all pages from its sup-category pages because there were also added to this parent-category by the metaobj script. ... darn.

• name "Curiosity Foraged": Leading "Curiosity *" tag is nice as clear leading tag, but makes it kinda long to. And "Curiosity" is already in the category bar of the object page.

--MvGulik 05:49, 11 June 2012 (EDT)

Grammar wise, 'Foraged Curiosities' would make sense. Though I can see the organisation benefits of leading with Curiosity. Perhaps simply a Foraged Curiosities, Crafted Curiosities, Miscellaneous (or Misc.) Curiosities, all categorised as Curiosity? Because as it stands this is an English wiki, and in sentence fragments nouns are almost always preceded by their correlating adjective. Just a thought. Nice work you've been doing though, cheers. :) Foetuses [talk][cont.] 09:30, 11 June 2012 (EDT)

I'm not sure about weather to use curiosity or curiosities. But it makes sens to me to clear this part up first (if needed) before starting applying changes related to curiosity category setup. (new talk section)

Will also try to write down what I have in mind, in relation to the curiosity category setup changes. looking for additional feedback first before actually implementing stuff. --MvGulik 21:33, 13 June 2012 (EDT)

Crude idea workout. (Hope its readable/understandably.)

--- current category setup (limited to related problem)---
-All Forageables (used for "All Forageables" table on Foraging page)
	+Foraged (double use: All Forageables && (All)Curiosities)
	+Wild_Plants
-Curiosity (used for "All Curiosities" table on curiosity page)
	+Crafted (used for "Crafted Curiosities" table on curiosity page)
	+Foraged (used for "Forageable Curiosities" table on curiosity page)
	+Miscellaneous (used for "Miscellaneous Curiosities" table on curiosity page)

--- new intended category setup ---
-All Forageables
	+Foraged (only to be used for foraging stuff)
		+Curiosity_Foraged (NOT: was a idea, but don't like to create complicated tree structures. like linking a leave to multiple branches.) 
	+Wild_Plants
-Curiosity
	+Curiosity_Foraged (dedicated for foraged Curiosity only. means "foraged Curiosity" need to be taged by two tags "foraged Curiosity" and "foraged")
	+Curiosity_Crafted (same as _Foraged)
	+Curiosity_Miscellaneous (additional Curiosity support tag, for rest Curiosity)

--- additional stuff ---
metaobj script is already dropping category tags based on found elements in item/page.
+ [[Category:foods]] on: hunger.
+ [[Category:structures]] on: repwith, lift, sthp(Hit Points), soak
+ [[Category:equipment]] on: slot
+ [[Category:weapons]] on: basedmg
+ [[Category:armor]] on: absorbX, absorbY
+ [[Category:curiosity]] on: lpgain

Intent do do the same for Curiosity sup-categories, if possible.
+ [[Category:Curiosity_Foraged]] on: Curiosity+perexp
? [[Category:Curiosity_Crafted]] on: Curiosity+?(not sure yet)
- [[Curiosity_Miscellaneous]] (not clue yet. remains manual added category)

... Erm. Some other stuff that slipped my mind at the moment.

--MvGulik 04:32, 14 June 2012 (EDT)

Reviewed... structure seems fine. You mean you intend to tag items such as Bloated Bolete as both Curiosity_Foraged AND Foraged, right? If so, everything seems to be in order and should work out fine. Foetuses [talk][cont.] 09:18, 14 June 2012 (EDT)

Yep. With the Curiosity_* sub-categories intended as hidden categories so they don't show up in the category bar on the object pages. --MvGulik 10:25, 14 June 2012 (EDT)

Sounds like a plan, good luck mate. Foetuses [talk][cont.] 10:31, 14 June 2012 (EDT)

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Implementing (Done):
One thing that bothers me a bit is that there are now 2 Crafted settings active on crafted Curiosities. The normal Crafted-Category tag and the "ccrafted" infobox setting for curiosities. But I currently have no idea how to do a check if a page is already tagged as Crafted(Category) and how to use that data instead of the added "ccrafted" setting.
Considering the amount of pages that need to be update is not that big. I'm implementing this for the time being (until a better solution presents itself). --MvGulik 15:09, 15 June 2012 (EDT)

All seems to work ok. If there are any general issues, Let me know. (PS: lowercase on secondary category name-parts was intentional. (automated/hidden categories.) --MvGulik 16:46, 15 June 2012 (EDT)

Tagging section as done. (letting it linger for some time. ~1MND) (will save some parts. (later))

"Skills" in Shewbread (?)

• Shewbread: Has a "Skills" element in its "Requirements" box. (?) --MvGulik 17:21, 15 June 2012 (EDT)

- Requirements box elements: Oven, Skills, Water, Candleberry Wax, Beeswax, Flour.

- Is the only item in the tables that has a "Skills" element in it.

- Same goes for all the other elements. (so source could be any of them)