Legacy talk:Hardened Leather

Formula

Current active Hardened Leather H&H forum topic: Hardened Leather Quality Formula! --Borka (talk) 14:45, 7 August 2013 (EDT)

Formula under investigation:
A: (((LeatherAv + WaxAv)/2)*3 + ((WaterQ + CauldronQ)/2))/4
B: ((LeatherAv + WaxAv*3)/4 + WaterQ)/2

A_alt: LeatherAv*3/8 + WaxAv*3/8 + WaterQ*1/8 + CauldronQ*1/8
B_alt: LeatherAv*1/8 + WaxAv*3/8 + WaterQ*1/2

• Base result is Softcapped by Sewing*Dex.

Data Collection Table

-- Hardened_Leather --

Case	Lt	Wt	Cq	Ct	WTq	Sew	Dex	Psy	GRq	Remarks, Signature, etc.
1	93	42	22	C	38	30	30	?	21	MagicManICT, Src:p434216, Cq:[20..25]
2	91	41	22	C	38	30	30	?	20	MagicManICT, Src:p434216, Cq:[20..25]
3	84	32	23	?	33	80	43	29	23	miraclew, Src:p435062
4	84	54	23	?	33	80	43	29	27	miraclew, Src:p435062
5	84	74	23	?	33	80	43	29	31	miraclew, Src:p435062
6	48	38	23	?	33	999	999	999	19	miraclew, Src:p435212
7	72	38	23	?	33	999	999	999	22	miraclew, Src:p435212
8	87	38	23	?	33	999	999	999	25	miraclew, Src:p435212
12	30	2	10	C	29	30	30	10	7	Other(w6), Sew/Dex >= 30
13	30	44	10	C	29	30	30	10	16	Other(w6), Sew/Dex >= 30
14	33	44	10	C	29	30	30	10	16	Other(w6), Sew/Dex >= 30
15	33	60	10	C	29	30	30	10	19	Other(w6), Sew/Dex >= 30
16	279	222	80	?	59	200	83	75	93	Sevenless, Src:p435215
17	126	59	33	M	60	1	17	10	25	SpakyPD, Src:p426201
18	126	57	33	M	60	10	17	10	29	SpakyPD, Src:p426201
19	126	38	33	M	60	10	17	10	27	SpakyPD, Src:p426201
20	126	38	33	M	60	40	17	10	32	SpakyPD, Src:p426201
21	246	20	25	?	40	1	15	?	21	VikingWarrior, Src:p423684
22	236	57	33	M	60	1	10	10	32	SpakyPD, Src:p436224
23	236	57	33	M	60	1	17	10	32	SpakyPD, Src:p436224
24	93	42	33	M	60	40	17	10	31	SpakyPD, Src:p436224
25	93	48	33	M	60	40	17	10	31	SpakyPD, Src:p436224
26	93	38	33	M	60	40	17	10	30	SpakyPD, Src:p436224
27	93	38	33	M	10	40	17	10	24	SpakyPD, Src:p436224
31	27	20	26	M	22	90	28	28	12	Agasi, Src:p443958
32	27	22	26	M	22	90	28	28	13	Agasi, Src:p443958
33	27	24	26	M	22	90	28	28	13	Agasi, Src:p443958
34	81	22	?	C	20	21	21	10	16	Yasgur, Src:p438480
35	90	41	20	?	39	38	33	21	26	vatas, Src:p436627
36	166	22	26	M	40	100	30	30	33	Agasi, Src:p444656
37	166	24	26	M	40	100	30	30	33	Agasi, Src:p444656
38	147	53	26	M	40	100	30	30	36	Agasi, Src:p444656
39	66	48	10	C	60	21	40	?	21	SpakyPD, Src:p445114
40	66	48	29	C	60	21	40	?	22	SpakyPD, Src:p445114
41	66	24	16	?	32	1	14	?	13	Debes2000, Src:p436432
42	48	49	20	M	60	21	40	?	25	SpakyPD, Src:p445119
43	48	49	27	M	60	21	40	?	25	SpakyPD, Src:p445119
44	48	49	28	M	60	21	40	?	26	SpakyPD, Src:p445119

Info:
* case: Case/record id(number) for discussion purposes. (ones used numbers should not be reused.)
* LTt: Leather quality, total.
* WXt: Wax quality, total.
* CLq: Cauldron quality.
* CLt: Cauldron type. Metal or Clay.
* WTq: Water quality.
* Sew: Sewing level.
* Dex: Dexterity level.
* Psy: Psychic level.
* GRq: In-game Hardened_Leather result.
(None optional fields are deemed critical in trying in figure out what's up.)

Source(s):

• HnH forum topic: http://www.havenandhearth.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=32217

Formula talk

Current best matching formula: TRUNC( SC_TRUNC(LeatherQtt/6 + WaxAvQtt/4)*3/4 + WaterQ/8 + CauldronQ/8 ). Rook, you have any thoughts on the subject ? --.MvGulik. 16:00, 17 September 2013 (EDT)

No, i stopped following it long ago when half the results were contradicting each other. Capping especially, if the results were gathered correctly, must be invoked mid-way rather than at final product and if so, then many of those results yield little information since they're capped in unfamiliar way. Either we scrap what we have and redo with stricter rules of verification and obligatory skills beyond capping or we approximate the way you did. I doubt anyone would follow the first route so i think what you've done should be considered final. --Rook (talk) 20:53, 17 September 2013 (EDT)

Roger that. It pretty much sums up some general thoughts of mine. Time to finalize this. (O, nice "Léon Foucault" Google Doodle.) --.MvGulik. 23:24, 17 September 2013 (EDT)