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<h2>Server being offline</h2>(Unconfirmed)
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Several notices on forums have been asking if the server is offline, and none of the computers in my house, nor my mobile cellphone can enter the website either (which they could about an hour ago).
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This post is solely temporarily, until the server is back up. Just letting you know you're not the only one.
(If you CAN log in, please modify this post saying so)


Some players can log in and some can not. The reason for this is unknown. No players appear to have minimaps.
{| style="width: 100%; background: #ccf; border: 1px solid #24a; border-left-color:#79f; border-top-color:#79f; text-align: center;"
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  | '''[[About_Haven_and_Hearth|About Haven and Hearth]]'''
  | '''[[Glossary|Glossary]]'''
  | '''[[:Category:Objects|Gigantic List of Objects]]'''
  | '''[[Terrain|Terrain/Biomes]]'''
  |}


I am able to log in with little lag. I can only do about 10 "actions" before Gilbertus Client receives a handshake error. The server logs me off, it is not a crash as I can log back in.
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I am able to log in with Gilbertus, no connection problems (aside from the minimap). It's so lonely.
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  | '''[[Discovery|Discoveries]]'''
  | '''[[Creatures]]'''
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  | '''[[Attributes]]'''
  | '''[[Fishing]]'''
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  | '''[[Abilities]]'''
  | '''[[Farming]]'''
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  | '''[[Skills]]'''
  | '''[[Hunting]]'''
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  | '''[[Credos]]'''
  | '''[[Mining]]'''
  |}


Any known fixes, please post asap :)
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(And to those loners out there, be nice and don't steal from villages whilest they can't log in)
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===KipperDipper speaking here, 10:35PM GMT (London) time===
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working fine for me. no-one else on my kinlist is online but although the website is down, I'm getting somewhat reliable gameplay *works fine for 10 minutes, freeze, restarting client fixes problem*.
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  | '''[[:Category:Structures|Structures]]'''
  | '''[[Curiosity|Curiosities]]'''
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  | '''[[:Category:Equipment|Equipment]]'''
  | '''[[:Category:The Symbel|The Symbel]]'''
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  | '''[[Gilding]]'''
  | '''[[Foraging|Forageables]]'''
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  | '''[[:Category:Crafting and Building Material|Crafting Materials]]'''
  | '''[[:Category:Crops|Crops]]'''
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  | '''[[:Category:Powders, Liquids, and Seeds|Powders, Liquids, and Seeds]]'''
  | '''[[:Category:Foods|Foods]]'''
  |}


I can conect too but after that the Gilbertus client crashes. The command window show this message (I put in in pastebin.com -> [http://pastebin.com/Wt5uhCRF]). (other thing, when i craft a pipe the item only show an interrogant)
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Yes, I'm getting the ? too.
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I also just crashed after having opened a crate (to see if items still showed as ?)
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  | '''[[Character Creation|Escaping Starting Area]]'''
  | '''[[Abbreviations]]'''
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  | '''[[Find food!|Finding Food]]'''
  | '''[[Personal Claim|Staking your Claim!]]'''
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  | '''[[Survive animal attacks|Surviving an Animal Attack]]'''
  | '''[[Combat Actions|Combat Moves]]'''
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  | '''[[Glossary#Life, Death, and You|Life, Death, and You]]'''
  | '''[[:Category:Controls|Keyboard,Console,Menu]]'''
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  | '''[[Hearth Fire]]'''
  | '''[[Palisade]]'''
  |}


===Kalacia speaking here, 23:24 GMT===
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Sever appears to be ok for me after a little hickup, website is still down at this current time. Up untill a few moments ago i would be able to login for a few seconds maybe a little longer before client crash with the command window from Gilbertus showing java errors to a number of codeing areas. Main error i am having seems to be attempting to resolve to or access www.havenandhearth.com/res to get the texture for the elm tree.
  {| style="width: 100%; background: #ccf; border: 1px solid #24a; border-left-color:#79f; border-top-color:#79f; text-align: center;"
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    | [//www.havenandhearth.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=42 '''<span title="(HnH Forum Section)">How Do I?</span>''']
    | [//www.havenandhearth.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=42&t=71318 '''<span title="Grand List of Simple Questions.">GLoSQ</span>''']
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    | [//www.havenandhearth.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=42&t=76168 '''<span title="RobbenDuMarsch' New Player Guide (WIP 2024)(Google.Doc)>New Player Guide <small>(WIP 2024)</small></span>''']
    | ...
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    | [//www.havenandhearth.com/portal/howto '''<span title="Developers How-to page.">'Quick (Dev's) How-To</span>''']
    | [//www.havenandhearth.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=47 '''<span title="(HnH Forum Section)">Bugs (default client only)</span>''']<!-- can be replaced. No a guide per se -->
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    | [//www.havenandhearth.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=42&t=72166 '''<span title="Basic Claim Safety (And what you’re doing wrong). [Dakkan] (Jan 2022)">Basic Claim Safety Guide</span>''']
    | [//www.havenandhearth.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=42&t=72160 '''<span title="Combat Guide (Overview, PVE, PVP) [DDDsDD999] (Jan 2022)">Combat Guide Overview</span>''']
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    | [//www.havenandhearth.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=42&t=51565 '''<span title="H&H Guides collection. [MagicManICT] (Oct 2016-Jan 2022)>Other Guides</span>''']
    | [//www.havenandhearth.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=42&t=40714 '''<span title="[Outdated] Sevenless' beginner guide to Haven and Hearth. (Aug 2015)>Sevenless' Guide (old)</span>''']
    |}


23:52 GMT
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Random disconnects appear to be happening without client errors, normal login attempts provide "user already logged in" error, restarting client appears to resolve issue untill next disconnection. Sizeable time between disconnects, minor annoyance... dont try and kill animals
  {| style="width: 100%; background: #ccf; border: 1px solid #24a; border-left-color:#79f; border-top-color:#79f; text-align: center;"
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    | [//map.hearthworld.com/?x=0&y=0&zoom=-6 Online W16 map] [//www.havenandhearth.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=49&t=76589 ''forum'']
    | [//food.hearthlands.net/ Shubla's Cookbook] [//www.havenandhearth.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=49&t=68530 ''forum'']
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    | [//www.havenandhearth.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=49&t=40754 Ender's Client '''(recommended)]'''</span>
    | [//carrygun.gitlab.io/hmdt/ Kerrigan's Haven Material Design Tool] [//www.havenandhearth.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=49&t=62538 ''forum'']
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    | [//hnhalchemy.pages.dev/ Alchemy World 15]
    | [//brodgar.io/trade/ <span title="Markets: Whatever Bay, ...">Irongete World 15 Markets</span>]


''Rumor has it there was another "data corruption bug," which is just an excuse for Jorb/Loftar to do another wipe and swap to World 5, now that they have their LP replacement finalized.''
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    | [https://brodgar.io/map/ 3D Map World 15]
    | [https://brodgar.io/tracker/ Population Tracker]
    |}


===Deathscreton speaking here. 6:29 PM 1/22/2011===
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Using Gilbertus' client, I can authenticate my log in, but cannot connect to the server. Not sure what's going on. No crash. Just can't connect.
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    | colspan=2 | [//www.havenandhearth.com/forum/ Official HnH Forum [[File:age-18-black 2_0.jpg|20px|link=]] [[File:bad-language-black-EN.jpg|20px|link=]] - English]
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    | <strike>[http://www.havenandhearth.ru/ HnH Forum - russian/русский]</strike>
    | [//forums.jeuxonline.info/forumdisplay.php?f=561&prefixid=f1714 HnH Forum - French/francaise]
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    | [//havenandhearth.eu/ HnH Forum - Polish/polski]
    | [//wikiwiki.jp/hnh-jp/ HnH Wiki/Forum - Japanese/日本語]
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    | [irc://irc.synirc.net/Haven Main HnH IRC Channel (IRC link)]
    | [//chat.mibbit.com/?server=irc.synirc.net&channel=%23haven Main HnH IRC Channel (mibbit link)]
    |}


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<div style="text-align:center;">• [[Special:AllPages|View All Pages]] • [[Special:Random|Random Page]] •</div>
Kipper again. Still playing, more reliable then before now. still recommend however that if you can get online: do not try to attack or tame anything. players or animals.
 
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Deathscreton once more. I feel that there may be varying versions of the Gilbertus client around on the web. If one of the above users would so kindly post where they received their copy of the client, this would help avoid any further errors and bottle neck what issues people are having.
 
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Was able to play perfectly fine until I purchased the sericulture skill, at which point my client crashed from not being able to find the image for a silk filament (which I have not seen in game yet). Therefore, I would assume that the server holding the resources for the game is down, so if you need to download any resources the the client crashes from being unable to do so. If you can log in, don't buy any skills that let you craft items you haven't seen before, and if you can't log in, then you need to wait for the server to come back up.
 
 
===Danno here, 7:22 PM GMT-6 (Saskatchewan doesn't do DST, so I dunno if that might actually be GMT-7 for the rest of you)===
The official client doesn't want to work for me. The process "javaw.exe" keeps stacking in my task manager with every failure. The game was working for me earlier today, probably around 5 hours ago. I was playing while the website was down, but I eventually got disconnected. I'll see if restarting my computer helps maybe.<br />
The 32bit Gilbertus client I downloaded sometime during world 3 allowed me to login my account, but it crashed when I tried to select a character. I'm guessing I should get an updated version, though.
--[[User:Danno|Danno]] 19:22, 22 January 2011 (CST)
 
-Vikingdragons-
i played eariler when the website crashed, didn't get kicked but did stop playing. come back, no success getting the website to load, keep getting conflicting reasons when i diagnosis. also, fixed the grief (which looked russian or a similar language)
 
it just started to work again! --[[User:Vikingdragons|Vikingdragons]] 19:35, 22 January 2011 (CST) ...and i crashed...--[[User:Vikingdragons|Vikingdragons]] 20:44, 22 January 2011 (CST)
 
<h2>Important Note</h2>
On Sunday, January 9th, Jorb announced on the forum ([http://www.havenandhearth.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=14013&sid=23055c1d3ba97902473657cf9ca9ab85 link]) that a recent change had introduced data corruption to the current database for World 3. It was determined that the only satisfactory fix was a reset of the world. It was announced that within 36-48 hours a complete wipe and reset would occur, starting what will be known as World 4. At that time, all characters will be reset, and all players will need to make new characters. Due to the short notice and bug, no major gameplay, mechanics, or ruleset changes are expected.
 
World 4 is now open!
 
==Contents <small>([[Special:AllPages|view all pages]])</small>==
{| style="width: 90%; max-width: 50em; margin: 0 auto; border-spacing: 1em; clear: both"
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{| style="width: 100%; background: #ccf; border: 1px solid #24a; border-left-color:#79f; border-top-color:#79f; text-align: center"
|+ style="color: #fff; background: #46c; border: 1px solid #24a; border-left-color:#79f; border-top-color:#79f; padding: 0.2em 0.5em" |'''New to Haven and Hearth?'''
| style="width: 50%" | [[About_Haven_and_Hearth|About Haven and Hearth]]
| style="width: 50%" | [[Getting_Started|Getting Started]]
|}
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{| style="width: 100%; background: #ccf; border: 1px solid #24a; border-left-color:#79f; border-top-color:#79f; text-align: center; margin-bottom: 1em"
|+ style="color: #fff; background: #46c; border: 1px solid #24a; border-left-color:#79f; border-top-color:#79f; padding: 0.2em 0.5em" |'''Detailed Stuff'''
| style="width: 50%" | [[Glossary]]
| style="width: 50%" | [[Personal Beliefs]]
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| style="width: 50%" | [[Attributes]]
| style="width: 50%" | [[Skills]]
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| style="width: 50%" | [[Creatures]]
| style="width: 50%" | [[Quality|Item Quality]]
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| style="width: 50%" | [[Farming]]
|}
 
{| style="width: 100%; background: #ccf; border: 1px solid #24a; border-left-color:#79f; border-top-color:#79f; text-align: center; margin-bottom: 1em"
|+ style="color: #fff; background: #46c; border: 1px solid #24a; border-left-color:#79f; border-top-color:#79f; padding: 0.2em 0.5em" |'''Objects'''
| colspan="2" | [[:Category:Objects|Gigantic List of Objects]]
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| style="width: 50%" | [[:Category:Foods|Foods]]
| style="width: 50%" | [[:Category:Liquids|Liquids]]
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| style="width: 50%" | [[:Category:Equipment|Equipment]]
| style="width: 50%" | [[:Category:Structures|Structures]]
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| style="width: 50%" | [[:Category:Buildings|Buildings]]
| style="width: 50%" | [[:Category:Containers|Containers]]
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| style="width: 50%" | [[:Category:Crops|Crops]]
| style="width: 50%" | [[:Category:Wild Plants|Wild Plants]]
|}
 
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{| style="width: 100%; background: #ccf; border: 1px solid #24a; border-left-color:#79f; border-top-color:#79f; text-align: center; margin-bottom: 1em"
|+ style="color: #fff; background: #46c; border: 1px solid #24a; border-left-color:#79f; border-top-color:#79f; padding: 0.2em 0.5em" |'''Quick Help Guides'''
| colspan="2" | [[Combat: Attacks, Moves & Maneuvers]]
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| style="width: 50%" | [[Get out of the starting area and find a tree|Escape Starting Area]]
| style="width: 50%" | [[Find food!|Finding Food]]
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| style="width: 50%" | [[String|Finding String]]
| style="width: 50%" | [[Well|Building a Well]]
|-
| style="width: 50%" | [[Bar_of_Wrought_Iron#How_to_acquire|Creating Wrought Iron]]
| style="width: 50%" | [[Survive animal attacks|Survive Animal Attacks]]
|-
| style="width: 50%" | [[Heal|Healing]]
| style="width: 50%" | [[See...!|I Can't See]]
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| style="width: 50%" | [[Cheese]]
|}
 
{| style="width: 100%; background: #ccf; border: 1px solid #24a; border-left-color:#79f; border-top-color:#79f; text-align: center; margin-bottom: 1em"
|+ style="color: #fff; background: #46c; border: 1px solid #24a; border-left-color:#79f; border-top-color:#79f; padding: 0.2em 0.5em" |'''Special Information'''
| style="width: 50%" | '''[[Bugs|Known Bugs]]'''
| style="width: 50%" | [[Haven and Hearth Wiki:Article Standards|Article Standards]]
|-
| style="width: 50%" | [http://www.havenandhearth.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=3196 '''"Read Me First"''']
| style="width: 50%" | [http://www.havenandhearth.com/portal/res/skills.png Skill Tree]
|-
| style="width: 50%" | [http://havenmap.student.utwente.nl/ Known World Map]
| style="width: 50%" | [http://www.havenandhearth.com/portal/howto Quick How-To]
|}
|}


==What's New==
==What's New==
*June 3, 2009 - This wiki is created!
* '''November 16, 2024''' - Moved RoB to new provider. Lemme know if stuff broke.
*July 7, 2009 - The first real information is added!
* <b>November 1, 2024 - Start of World 16</b> {{HFL|f=39|t=76322|title=World 16, with Steam}} - {{time|WD|16}}
*July 17, 2009 - Initial seeding complete; wiki surpasses 250 articles.
*'''[[News Archive|"What's New" Archive]]'''
*August 22, 2009 - The [[:Template:Infobox food2 |food template]] is now functional. This will automatically compute various mathematical data. Please use this for all future food objects.
*'''[[World|Worlds history]]'''
*August 25, 2009 - Semantic MediaWiki activated. Adaptation of current content begins.
*'''[[Game Updates]]'''
*September 7, 2009 - Crafting gets an overhaul and the map generator changes. [http://www.havenandhearth.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=1784&sid=eeeca931fa83e2ca09484636051c0342 Details]
* February 27, 2010 - Great Flood
* January 11, 2011 - Great Flood
* January 11, 2011 - World 4 has been created
 
==Contribute to this Wiki==
*If you would like to contribute to this wiki but don't know where to start, please see the [[Haven and Hearth Wiki:Community Portal|Community Portal]].
 
==Featured Articles==
*'''[[FEP Table]]'''
*'''[[Base LP Gain Table]]'''
*'''[[Menu Options]]'''
 
 
*'''[[Keyboard Shortcuts]]'''
*'''[[Console Commands]]'''
 
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